by Dongtini – Episode 46
May 30, 2012 in Podcast by dongtini
On this episode: Simone asks Stephy about taking credit for something she didn’t do, a listener asks Simone why she’s so fucking cynical, Stephy knows actual people who obey their husbands, and we read about dongtinis that were made in old Hollywood. Plus: Valium, male patriarchy, British Monopoly and Simone’s summer jam.
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- Boardwalk vs. Mayfair
There's a difference.
Tidy keeping of Monopoly money.
Valium: invented for housewives
From whence the original Dongtini came.
Gaz covers "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times"
Closing song: Gaz Coombes – “I Just Wasn’t Made For These Times”
The only point I feel any cynicism from Simone is when she addresses Christianity. And only then because what she says feels so familiar to my inner cynic.
-Phil-bug, Seeing-Eye Pony
Wow! That’s the only time? I’m far less unpleasant than I thought!
Sorry, I don’t find you unpleasant in the least. Should I try?
Oh no! Don’t try! I must have mellowed on all my tiresome groaning about all the things I hate.
I think cheating is only acceptable against a computer opponent and even then, I always feel very hollow if I won a game by cheating. It’s like they said in the lion king, “cheetahs never prosper!”
However, someone as hyper competitive as Simone may find this article interesting. It’s mathematical strategies to give you the edge in games like battleship, monopoly and rock, paper scissors: http://www.cracked.com/article_19747_5-ways-to-beat-old-school-games-using-math.html
It won’t guarantee a win but it does increase your odds of winning!
There’s nothing wrong with a skillful edge! Thanks for the link! Sadly, I’m terrible at maths, but I’ll give it a red hot go!
Have no fear, all the hard math work is already done, they just give you the conclusions (which contain no equations so it’s cool)
Oh and regarding Valium as a treatment for hysterical women, did anyone watch the movie Hysteria? ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1435513/ ) How would you rate that treatment against Valium?
I once read that Valium works a bit like a placebo – you only feel the effects if you know you are taking it. Does anyone know if that’s true? Anyone willing to slip an unsuspecting person a valium to see what it does?
I am willing to be slipped a real Valium anytime.
(And I want to see Hysteria. Which makes me want to watch Reefer Madness again.)
It’s quite funny in a let’s-laugh-at-the-old-timey-people-and-their-ridiculous-ideas-about-medicine-and-women kind of way. Great movie outing for the Venus Hill crew!
I really enjoyed Simone’s response to “cynical” voicemail. She feels emotion strongly as evidenced in miniature horses.
btw. You guys should convert Simone’s excitement over minihorses into a ringtone.
Oh my gosh, we need an OH GAWWWWD ringtone!
I totally know how to make ringtones. Doin’ it.
YES!
Oh, and I’m so glad you liked my response, Brandon!
Question: You’re at a party and the bartender is making actual dongtinis. Do you drink it?
Yes it is! If I had any but one variety of dongtini, I’m pretty sure it’s automatic grounds for divorce.
Well I certainly wouldn’t. Hell I wouldn’t have a drink someone mixed with their fingers, nevermind any other bodypart!
This isn’t even a question.
Cheating. It seems so much of what we (people) do is fueled by a desire for affirmation, the need/want to perceive we are valuable. Cheating can be a form of self-medication. (one, of many, illicit drugs?). I win=others will see/treat me as valuable. There is want/need for that sense of value, cheating can provide the sense of value, if not the actual thing. Of course, it’s a total disconnect from reality, but we live in a culture that declares: “image is everything,” (i.e., it’s more important to appear valuable than actually be valuable).
Cynicism
a Greek philosophy of the 4th century B.C. advocating the doctrines that virtue is the only good, that the essence of virtue is self-control and individual freedom, and that surrender to any external influence is beneath the dignity of humanity.
And this is a bad thing?
Paul, that “image is everything” sentiment probably is the defining line between cheating and not cheating. Appearing to have value versus actually having value. And while I will never be able to subscribe to the former, I can’t deny that there is plenty to be gained by misrepresentation!
Regarding cynicism, I had to read that a few times to really wrap my head around it, but that is at the root of the cynicism and that makes it sound good indeed!
Simone. “I can’t deny that there is plenty to be gained by misrepresentation!.”
A small example.
For years I bought ‘responsible’ cars. You know, plain utilitarian vehicles that got me from point A to point B, often used and ugly. I was consciously rebelling against Madison Avenue. I did not want to participate in the game of buying a car that had a carefully constructed image created by the sellers ( but I was still creating and preserving a different image). The last car I bought I decided to dive in and buy a car that went to the opposite of what I had been doing, a flashy BMW Z4. My motives were pretty straightforward, I wanted the cheap, easy attention it would provide. I continue to be surprised at just how much and the type attention that a car can bring. People ooh and ah, heads turn, give me thumbs up, all from a car.
It’s fun to drive through the projects and see how many fancy cars there are, parked on the street next to subsidized housing. People respond to the way we appear. Our brains store judgements that we pull from when we encounter certain cues, and we’re all aware of this stuff, at least intuitively.
My feel is that being aware of the details, the when and why, may be more relevant than the image itself that we choose to project in any given moment?
That’s a great example, Paul. I have a huge beef with designer handbags. I wouldn’t be caught dead with one but it’s funny what different images it conjures. Among others who would carry them around, they are all telling each other that they have taste or status, but to those who don’t, you look like a desperate sheep. I find it tragic.
I suppose in conjunction with the wanting to succeed sincerely, I of course enjoy attention and praise for my choices, but again, it’s so much more enjoyable when I thought of it all myself and bought it at Target than just plonking down a shitload of money because someone told me this was “in” and feeling like I’ve achieved something.
There are so many different facets to this and so many different motivations.